the law gist cal challenges that the obama administration will face in setting this up almost guarantees there is going to be convulsion and all kinds of problems. i think republicans see this as an opportunities to maybe point out some of the things they have been warning about. unfortunately the americans are going to have to experience it firsthand. >> not only are they going to witness it firsthand, what you are seeing here, franklin roosevelt created the regulatory state in the united states. it is this big social program that has gone forward. barack obama is the heir to the roosevelt legacy. and honestly, paul, if you what we are talking about, i think we are beginning to see the implosion of the administrative state. it is simply collapsing under its shear and unsupportable weight. it is going to be ugly and it will begin with obamacare. >> and joe, the i'm plaw men station you are -- the implementation is not going well. >> b no, it isn't. ithi is essentially a catastrophe. >> even democratic governors who support the law are really frustrated with what is coming out of washingt